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Sabian Symbols · Scorpio 17 · degree 227 of 360

One parent filling the place of two

The Sabian symbol for Scorpio 17 is a picture in which a mother is also her child's father. The tradition takes a degree's picture as a symbol, and this one is about self-sufficiency: one person supplying what usually takes two.

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A straight strip of the twelve signs from 0° Aries to 360°, with Scorpio 17 marked between 226° and 227° and the degree opposite, Taurus 17, marked between 46° and 47°; above it, Scorpio drawn large as thirty degrees, the 17th filled. Scorpio 17 Degree 227 of 360 Scorpio 16°00′ to 17°00′ Opposite Taurus 17 Before · after Scorpio 16 · Scorpio 18 Scorpio, degrees 1 to 30 1 10 17 20 30 Ari Tau Gem Can Leo Vir Lib Sco Sag Cap Aqu Pis 0° Aries 360°
Scorpio 17 on the zodiac, in our own drawing: the 17th degree of Scorpio among its thirty, and its place on the strip of all twelve signs, with the degree opposite, Taurus 17.

Facts

Degree
Scorpio 17, the 17th degree of Scorpio
Of the 360
Degree 227
Positions it covers
Scorpio 16°00′ up to Scorpio 17°00′ (tropical longitude 226° to 227°)
Image (our words)
A mother who is also her child's father.
Keyword (ours)
Self-sufficiency
Keynote (ours)
One person supplies what usually takes two.
Degree opposite
Taurus 17 (degree 47), a reading aid
Before and after (Lynda Hill)
Scorpio 16 and Scorpio 18
Image recorded
San Diego, 1925: Elsie Wheeler described it, Marc Edmund Jones wrote it down

The image

The line is short and leaves much unsaid: a mother who is her child's father as well. We read it in the plainest way, as a woman who raises a child alone and gives the care, protection and guidance that are usually shared between two parents. The picture is described as a symbol only. Of the 360 pictures Elsie Wheeler described in 1925 as Marc Edmund Jones wrote them down, this is Scorpio 17.

Meaning

Read as a symbol, the figure holds two roles in one person. Whatever divides those roles in a culture, tenderness and firmness, home and the world, the image shows them carried together. Our keyword is "Self-sufficiency", and our keynote says one person supplies what usually takes two. A placement here can be read as resourcefulness and strength, the ability to cover more than one's share, and an independence learned from necessity. The image also leaves room for its weight: to be both is demanding, and the reading can include the wish to share the load.

Read the way Lynda Hill reads a chart, Scorpio 17 looks back to a Karmic Condition and forward to a Quest Degree. Scorpio 16, a smile spreading over a girl's face, comes before; Scorpio 18, trees in their full autumn colour, comes after. Followed in order, the images go from a young feeling showing itself, to a grown person carrying two roles, to the bright maturity of the year before the leaves let go.

The degree opposite is Taurus 17, swords fighting against torches, our "Force versus light". As a reading aid, the pair sets two powers in open conflict beside two roles that one person holds together without a fight.

In a chart

A planet or point anywhere from Scorpio 16°00′ up to, but not including, Scorpio 17°00′ takes this degree. The rule is to count the degree a position is in from one, so a Moon at Scorpio 16°10′ reads Scorpio 17, and so does one at Scorpio 16°57′. Close to either edge, a small change in the birth time or the ephemeris moves a placement into the next image: into Scorpio 18 after Scorpio 16°59′, or back into Scorpio 16 before Scorpio 16°00′. That is why the chart shows the minute beside the degree. In EsoTerrier's Sabian chart the Sun, the Moon and the Ascendant are read first, then the Midheaven and the planets; each placement in Scorpio 17 carries the image, keyword and keynote above, with Scorpio 16, Scorpio 18 and Taurus 17 beside it.

Correspondences

Each item with how it stands: “sourced” is in the work cited, “our construction” is EsoTerrier’s own, and “disputed” means the sources disagree.

Where the image comes from
Recorded by Marc Edmund Jones in Balboa Park, San Diego, in 1925, as the clairvoyant Elsie Wheeler described the picture she saw for an unseen card; one of 360 done in a single day; published by Jones in 1953 sourced
Degree before and after
Scorpio 16 and Scorpio 18, read beside this degree after Lynda Hill, who calls them its Karmic Condition and its Quest Degree sourced
Degree opposite
Taurus 17, 180° away, offered as a reading aid; it is arithmetic, not a rule of Jones's our construction
A position at Scorpio 16°00′00″
Our engine, Hill's rule and every calculator we checked read it as Scorpio 17; the Sabian Assembly's sunrise page reads it as Scorpio 16. A computed chart practically never lands on it disputed

How the schools read it

Marc Edmund Jones (1953)
Gives the degree a symbol line, a commentary, a one-word keyword and a positive and a negative reading. We quote none of it.
Dane Rudhyar (1973)
Rewords the image and adds a keynote and a commentary of his own, numbering the degrees as Jones did. In copyright to 2068; not used, and the place he gives the degree in his own structure is not shown.
Lynda Hill (1995, 2004)
Uses the symbols as an oracle, with her own commentary, and reads each degree beside the one before and the one after. Her rule and her two names are cited here; her text is not used.
The Sabian Assembly
Jones's own study group serves the 1953 image and keyword of a degree in its oracle, without commentary, on purpose.
EsoTerrier
Our keynote: One person supplies what usually takes two.

Claims about it

  • The image line on this page, or on any site, is Elsie Wheeler's own wording.

    false

    What the record shows: Her words survive only as Jones's pencilled notes of 1925. Jones reworded them in 1931 and 1953, Rudhyar in 1936 and 1973, and Hill in her books.

  • Reading the degree before and the degree after is part of how the zodiac is built, or of Jones's method.

    false

    What the record shows: It is Lynda Hill's practice, and the two names are hers. We show the two degrees with her name.

  • Dane Rudhyar's 1973 lines are the Sabian symbols and free to print.

    false

    What the record shows: They are his rewording, with his own keynotes and commentary, renewed in 2002 and in US copyright to the end of 2068. None of them is used here.

Elsewhere on EsoTerrier

Sources

Primary texts (7)
  1. Marc Edmund Jones, The Sabian Symbols in Astrology: Illustrated by One Thousand Horoscopes of Well-Known People. New York: Sabian Publishing Society, 1953. Facts only; none of its wording is quoted.
  2. Library of Congress, Copyright Office, Catalog of Copyright Entries, third series, vol. 7 part 1, July to December 1953: Jones's book, A104127. archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig371li
  3. US Copyright Office, Public Records System: searches for Jones, the Sabian symbols, Rudhyar and An Astrological Mandala (2026-10-10 and 2026-10-13). publicrecords.copyright.gov
  4. Dane Rudhyar, An Astrological Mandala. New York: Random House, 1973. In copyright; facts only.
  5. Marc Edmund Jones, Symbolical Astrology, mimeographed lessons 849 to 874, 18 May to 9 November 1931 (private circulation). Known from catalogue listings; not seen.
  6. Lynda Hill and Richard Hill, The Sabian Symbols as an Oracle. Avalon, NSW: White Horse Books, 1995; expanded edition 2002. Not opened.
  7. Lynda Hill, 360 Degrees of Wisdom. New York: Plume, 2004. Not opened; contents per degree from a review.
Studies and other sources (7)
  1. Diana E. Roche, "The Sabian Symbols: Origin and History", the Sabian Assembly. sabian.org/sabian_symbols.php
  2. The Sabian Assembly: the Sabian Symbol Oracle and the "Sabian Symbol at Sunrise" page. sabian.org/sabian_symbol_oracle.php
  3. Lynda Hill, sabiansymbols.com: "The Sabian Symbols Story", "Karmic and Quest Degrees" (2023) and her notes on using the symbols. sabiansymbols.com/about/the-sabian-symbols-story
  4. Astrodienst, "Sabian Symbols", Astrowiki. astro.com/astrowiki/en/Sabian_Symbols
  5. "Marc Edmund Jones", Wikipedia (orientation only). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Edmund_Jones
  6. Aeclectic Tarot, review of Lynda Hill's 360 Degrees of Wisdom (2005). aeclectic.net/tarot/books/360-degrees-of-wisdom
  7. Astrograph Software, "Sabian Symbols" (TimePassages). astrograph.com/learning-astrology/planetary-condition/sabian-symbols
Our own research (2)
  1. EsoTerrier, draconic chart and Sabian symbols research, 10 October 2026, with the wording checks of 13 and 14 October 2026.
  2. EsoTerrier calculation engine, the Sabian symbols service and its 360-line table in our own words.

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Sabian symbols after Elsie Wheeler and Marc Edmund Jones (San Diego, 1925). The wording of the images, the keywords and the keynotes are EsoTerrier's own. The degree before and after are read after Lynda Hill.